Student governors responded with mixed reactions when U of T president David Naylor’s term was extended for another three years at a closed session of Governing Council on Thursday, with a possible further extension of two years in April 2013.
During the open session which followed, some student representatives openly questioned whether they had a meaningful role. Students account for eight seats out of 50 on GC. Meetings have seen tension between GC chair John Petch and some student speakers, with each side accusing the other of disrespect.
“When I first came to council from July to December with no duties, no effect, no purpose whatsoever, [I was] waiting for a briefing on what it even means to be governor,” said Andrew Agnew-Iler, who represents full-time undergraduates. In an email, full-time undergrad rep Margaret Kim wrote that GC is highly hierarchical and can be intimidating. “I could see why, as some students at the meeting have communicated, having an impact on decision making on GC seems like a challenge. But it is what you make of it.”
Other student leaders expressed similar frustrations. Gavin Nowlan, president of the Arts and Science Students’ Union, said that although university officials meet regularly with student leaders, these meetings felt more like information sessions than genuine attempts to involve students in governing. Waiting outside during the closed session, Nowlan said there has been a change in the tenor of student-administration relations.
“Over the past couple of years Governing Council seems more confrontational towards students. It’s becoming more and more clear that they don’t want students at Governing Council meetings,” he said, referring to the presence of campus police outside. University officials would not confirm if there were plainclothes officers among the protestors outside or inside Simcoe Hall, although student leaders said that it was obvious that there were.
Ryan Campbell, representing full-time undergrads, disagreed. “You have all the decision-makers there and they’re all reasonable people and if you make good points they’ll listen. That’s where the real value is in being a governor.”
“There’s the problem that once something hits the Governing Council level, be it on the board or at this body, it’s almost a given,” said Adam Awad, VP university affairs for the U of T Students’ Union.
Professor Cheryl Misak, VP and provost, said that administrators and UTSU simply do not agree on fundamental questions. “If UTSU wants us to go with them and argue that there should be no tuition fees, we can’t do that. […] We can’t go to the government and say we don’t want any more tuition fees because we would literally be advocating that we close our doors.”
Naylor struck a more conciliatory tone. “I think Adam does raise an interesting point around the tough dynamic around governance,” he said in an interview after the meeting. “At the same time I think it’s important for us to figure out a way to take the temperature down a little bit and get some constructive dialogue.”
“Certainly the testiness in the Governing Council chamber is not something that makes me or anyone else very happy,” said Naylor. “That being said, the repetition of certain positions doesn’t make them true. To make the same arguments over and over again, when others have respectfully disagreed and moved in a different direction, also doesn’t come off as helpful and constructive.”
Naylor said he hoped that the St. George Round Table, formed by the presidents of college councils and undergrad societies, would allow the university to hear from a wide range of students in the event that there is difficulty communicating with UTSU. “It’s also important for us to establish better dialogue with UTSU,” he said. “Unfortunately there’s enough adverse history that it might be tough to get this one mended until there’s a change in players, but I’m always optimistic and let’s see where we end up.”











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I can confirm the presence of 2 plainclothes police officers.
Jan 25, 2010 at 08:28 PM
Can GC student reps abstain? Might be time to start abstaining en masse at every vote in protest. This dog and pony show is getting pointless and to even have us there and "engaged" seems to condone the whole process.
Jan 26, 2010 at 01:00 PM
Is U of T Administration meddling in student's affairs?
Hot on the heels of an impressive anti-Prorogation protest at Dundas Square that saw over 12,000 Canadians protest Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s suspension of parliament, U of T students find a democratic deficit in our own backyard.
After reading this week's news article "Do we matter?", I was shocked by President Naylor's unprecedented endorsement of the unaccountable and undemocratic entity known as the "St. George Round Table". This elite club is not a recognized group in the university’s governance, nor is it accountable to, or elected by, students.
What credibility does Naylor have when he, like Harper, prorogued Governing Council deliberations and halted the most important administrative decision-making body? Like Harper, who sought to silence government watchdogs, Naylor is now calling for a "change in players" to silence his critics at UTSU who campaigned against his Flat Fee proposal for a 66% fee increase.
Instead of addressing student concerns, Naylor is trying to side-step student representation by proposing an “alternative” to a democratic student union. He is desperate for student support and his self-appointed “Round Table” consists largely of failed candidates in past UTSU elections who couldn’t get elected because they were uncritical of the University’s plans to increase tuition fees and cut programmes and campaigns supported by the majority of students.
We have one thing to thank Naylor for: in declaring support for the hacks in the St. George Round Table, he has helped us figure out whom NOT to support. (Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll get hired by the administration soon enough.)
In this year’s UTSU elections, I plan to vote only for candidates who can prove to me – by word and deed – that they will fight the administration’s vision of an elitist and unaffordable education, every step of the way.
Jan 27, 2010 at 05:07 PM
Who you're going to vote for? You mean you haven't graduated yet, Walied? It's really time for you and Sandy to stop desperately clinging to your youth...
Further, I'm not sure in what capacity the SGRT is "undemocratic," unelected, or is made up "largely of failed candidates in past UTSU elections." The only members are Presidents of College and Faculty councils... which makes them democratic and elected. In fact, I don't think a single member ever ran for UTSU (although I'd be happy to hear a name, if you had one).
We can debate whether Naylor should have suggested circumventing UTSU, but the SGRT is also a legitimate (albeit largely informal) body (And also not unpredecented in UofT's history: a "council of presidents at U of T" used to exist).
I must say, though, if I was given the choice between a group I might actually have a conversation with, and another which would only scream incoherent rhetoric at me... I know which I'd be tempted to choose.
Jan 27, 2010 at 10:00 PM
First of all, the SGRt is made of College / ProFac student society presidents, not last year's Change slate.
Second of all, those "failed" Change candidates for UTSU last year did take a majority of the vote on St. George, so if they did form some sort of organization, one could argue it does represent the interests of St. George students.
Jan 29, 2010 at 12:05 AM
It's these "perma-students" and their student union vote machines pulling the levers of power from behind the scenes -- the likes of Walied Khogali, Chris Ramsaroop, Oriel Varga, et al. -- who are the real hacks on St. George campus.
Regular students attending to their studies and extra-curriculars and planning to graduate in 4/5 years can't ever hope to win against them and their hand-picked cronies.
Moreover, such perma-students' ties to national student lobby groups -- who provide hired muscle and logistics (campaigners and campaign materials) during election seasons, and the ability of such groups to influence the filling of non-elected managerial-level positions at student unions who are there for the medium term (3-5 yrs.) -- have radicalized relations among stakeholders on campus, with no gains accruing to regular students.
Can you blame the administration and the other players on campus who don't benefit from this arrangement (ProFac students, for one) for seeking alternatives to a broken intra-campus governance model?
Jan 30, 2010 at 08:04 PM
Whats with the hostilities?
Whats this SGRt?
If the allegations Mr. Khogali is making is true. We should all be concerned. Thanks for the comments.
Feb 1, 2010 at 09:17 PM
Walied, you do know that peddling that blatantly false, utterly contentless, partisan drivel on this site only makes you look like a fool, right?
I like your comment, though. It's comforting to me that all you can muster in support of your cause is outright lies. After all, the best way to defame a cause is to use faulty arguments in support of it.
Feb 1, 2010 at 10:26 PM
The last Varsity issue had Walied's letter included in it, and I am glad to see that both in the newspaper and here people are quick to point out his many faulty points. Why the Varsity even bothered to print it is beyond me. Having personally been a part of a SGRT group (and yes I was elected to New College Student Council and was at the meeting represented my college), my response to his allegation is yes, of course I'm part of an elite club, its called undergrad at U of T. As for calling me a failure and a hack, all I can say is fuck off!
Feb 2, 2010 at 12:06 AM
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