The slates hoping to run UTSU next year came to the Bahen Centre on Wednesday evening to take questions from students. Stronger Together, running with two incumbent execs, faced off against challengers from Change U of T, who have experience on college councils. Both sides had to answer to specific and pointed criticism about their candidates, often from supporters of the rival slate. Three executives from the Equity Studies Students’ Union, which has officially endorsed Stronger Together, read prepared statements during question period.
Over 76 U of T students attended in person, half of them sporting orange scarves to indicate their support for Change U of T. Ninety-nine students watched the debates live via streaming video.
Five executive positions are up for grabs. Each candidate was allotted time for an opening statement, followed by a question period with the audience and a two-minute final statement.
“Try to make the questions really relevant to the content [...] specifically, what the candidates are speaking about,” said debate moderator Dave Meslin, but multiple audience members strayed from these instructions and went on the offensive.
President
Steve Masse for Change U of T: “ I want you to imagine a union you can be proud of—one that provides easy-to-use, well-promoted services. One where equity is a way of life and not just a series of campaigns. Since my time here, I've seen the Drop Fees campaign bring out less and less people, and higher and higher tuition fees. [...] It's time for change.”
Adam Awad for Stronger Together: “I fought against flat fees, the cutting of disability studies and other interdisciplinary programs, the implementation of regressive university polices, and the continued erosion of provincial funding for post-secondary education.”
Awad, the current VP university affairs for UTSU, and Masse, president of the Woodsworth College Students' Association, took questions for over 40 minutes. The atmosphere became charged when current VP external Hadia Ahktar criticized Masse’s performance as an associate to president Sandy Hudson. “I was also part of the Towards 2030 campaign and the Drop Fees Campaign. I went to every single meeting […] I never once saw you,” Akhtar said to Masse.
“Lies!” shouted Gabe de Roche, a frequent commentator, over the audience. Change supporters demanded questions be “reality-based.”
“[Questions] do not need to be truthful,” said Meslin, adding that it was up to candidates to judge the truthfulness of the questions and reply accordingly.
Masse responded, “I met various members of the GSU in the basement numerous times [to work on the Towards 2030 opposition]. I met with members of the CFS from across the GTA in OISE to organize the Drop Fees campaign. I was also a marshal during that campaign.”
James Finlay, the Change candidate for VP external, disputed Awad’s contributions to the Student Commons project. Finlay recounted a conversation where Awad said he didn't know about the project and that Sandy Hudson was handling it. He added, “The biggest complaint [students] have had is that you haven't been in consultation with them. Adding people on Facebook is not a form of outreach. A couple of walk-bys and a little bit of token visits is not considered outreach,” Finlay said.
Awad replied that he had said the commons project was close to being finished and had referred details to the union's lawyers and the university's lawyers. He said he had tried to get out to as many students as possible, citing his heavy involvement in meetings.
ESSU exec Anisha Thomas questioned Masse's choice of candidates, accusing Finlay of denying the oppressive nature of using race as a costume (a reference to the blackface Halloween incident in first term) and Alyssa James of using ableist language in a Facebook post three years ago. Change supporters once again protested the question.
In response, Masse distanced Finlay's involvement in the blackface incident and defended James, stating that she had been very clear in her support for people from a wide variety of backgrounds and her dedication to equity.
Asked by The Varsity how they plan to encourage electoral involvement and represent opposing views if their slate wins, Awad said, “I do want to say one of the biggest challenges this year is the ability to send an e-mail out to all students. [...] Industry Canada says we should have access to our membership list.” He added that using the commission structure was an effective way of engaging students.
Masse said, “The union needs to set an expectation for itself. Connecting students with the union activities come from good leaders, and that is what we will do next year. ” He also emphasized the importance of working with those who disagree.
VP Equity
Alyssa James for Change U of T: Platform includes a body awareness campaign, making the Wheelchair Access Committee more effective, and an invisible disabilities campaign.
Danielle Sandhu for Stronger Together: Platform included lobbying for a human rights office, OHIP for international students, and anti-oppression training for professors, administrators, and student leaders.
ESSU president Isabel Lay said to James, “I'm just wondering, as a self-proclaimed advocate for equity at U of T how can you justify having had zero communication with [ESSU] and being completely silent and absent when the equity studies program was under direct threat of funding reductions?” James said that she had been involved with other equity groups and projects, especially at Woodsworth College. She said she did want to work with ESSU on equity projects.
Another audience member asked both candidates if excluding some members from equity events was counter-intuitive to the notion of equity.
Sandhu said that although UTSU organizes inclusive events for as many members as people as possible, “[there] is also a need to create a safe space for students, so that can mean having to exclude some members of the community to create a safe space for others.”
James disagreed and said that all equity events should include as many people as possible. “Yes, safe spaces are very important, but all students who may not look the part, fit the part. They need to be brought in and made advocates. Part of inclusivity is bringing in our allies,” she said.
Akhtar asked both candidates their position on bottled water. Sandhu had a refillable water bottle, while James had bottled water. Sandhu said she would like to ban bottled water on campus. James said the issue was important and would be dealt with in the Change slate’s sustainability platform.
VP External
James Finlay for Change U of T: “Drop Fees happens one time in a year and it should be happening every day of the year.” Platform consisted of OSAP reform for Ontario students, improving student job prospects, and reforming UHIP for international students.
Zexi Wang for Stronger Together: Proposed exchanging ideas with people who are not part of the university and focusing on projects like banning bottled water, advocacy for signing the President's Climate Initiative, and plans to hold a teach-in for climate justice.
An audience member asked Finlay for the actual concrete steps he would take toward jobs and OSAP reform. Finlay responded that he would make partnerships with local businesses and bring more job fairs to U of T. He said education and effective lobbying was needed for OSAP reform. Wang also answered, saying that needs-based grants were required to get students away from relying on OSAP.
Current UTSU president Sandy Hudson asked both candidates how they would improve on the Drop Fees campaign. Wang answered that the campaign should draw attention to the connection between student poverty and systemic discrimination, while Finlay said that more awareness was needed for the campaign, since student attendance was dwindling.
ESSU exec Anthony Foster accused Finlay of compromising the safety of Dawn Samuel, president of the Black Students' Association, during the blackface Halloween costume incident last year. Finlay said that people were asking who they should direct queries to, and that he pointed them to the Black Students' Association Facebook page to contact the president and other executives.
VP Internal
Mike Maher for Change U of T: Declared his “commitment to students, commitment to transparency, and commitment to clubs.” His platform included a student scholarship guide, a campus guide to food, and a clubs space guide.
Rolli Adenmosun for Stronger Together: Pledged to continue the work of the union and extending discounts to TTC tokens.
Gabe de Roche asked both candidates about the Elections Procedures Code. “Currently the incumbency rate over the past seven years at the UTSU is one hundred per cent. I've never heard of another democracy where that's the incumbency rate,” he said.
“So to clarify what that means to the audience, candidates who are running as incumbents are winning every time?” asked Meslin.
“Yes, they’re incapable of losing,” said de Roche, drawing laughter from the audience.
Amendosun did not respond to the question. Maher said reform of the EPC is a top priority, and that he found the rules “restrictive” and “draconian.”
Jasmyn Attfield asked if Maher's plan for a student scholarship guide was redundant, since the UTSU website already has one. Attfield is a Change supporter and running for an UTSU board of directors position, representing Woodsworth. Maher said he would make the guide more interactive, so that students could input their names and majors to receive info about all the scholarships they could apply for, including the amount they could receive. Maher then said that the scholarship guide had been uploaded only the night before. The Varsity has found that the scholarship guide was uploaded at 2:34 a.m. on March 10, the day of the debate.
VP University Affairs
Jimmy Lu for Change U of T: Vowed to “put the student back in student union,” develop a closer relationship with the administration based on mutual respect, and improve sustainability with the “pedestrianization” of St. George Street.
Maria Pilar Galvez for Stronger Together: Proposed eliminating flat fees, banning turnitin.com, and working for environmental sustainability.
Asked to define sustainability, Galvez said, “It is basically making sure you do not use excess resources [...] and making sure you do not make excess waste at the same time."
Lu replied, "The definition of sustainability is the ability to meet the current generation's needs without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their need."










Comments
Fur flies in the middle of the street...
Stronger Together tearing down EFUT's posters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH3wJnLeqtI
Stronger Together libeling Change U of T:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fJf6Kwu3Ck
Don't forget to vote!
Mar 15, 2010 at 07:49 PM
Well Adam, maybe if you let students have a choice in whether or not to participate in the Union, you wouldn't have so much trouble figuring out precisely who your members are. As a director of another 42,000-member non-profit, we have no issues contacting our membership because they actually CHOSE to join our organization. That's the difference between an organization that is united by common purpose and one that has to force membership down people's throats. Has UTSU ever stepped back and asked whether people actually want to be part of their "student movement"? Because from where I'm standing, it looks like 90% of them don't care.
As the person who asked this question, I want to elaborate on why Danielle is totally wrong, and why UTSU's current approach to "safe space" does not promote equity.
Telling people that, for example, for a man to be present at a gender equity event, or a straight person at a queer equity event, compromises safety is frankly offensive. You are telling a huge number of students that they are {racist, sexist, homophobic} and part of the problem, rather than letting them be part of the solution. Furthermore, you are implicitly saying that the excluded groups face no equity issues, which is false. Everyone faces equity issues in some way, shape or form, and the conventional conception of equity as everything but the straight white male is highly flawed. Promoting equity means reaching out to the people who are least likely to know about equity issues - i.e. those who aren't in the targeted group! Many straight people are very dismissive of queer issues unless they happen to have a close friend who is queer. By leaving them out and saying "queers only over here, straight people over there", you are only promoting more divisions on campus and preaching to the converted rather than reaching a new audience. Furthermore, you are cutting off people who may still be in the closet and not comfortable about self-identifying to attend an event.
There is a paradox in the UTSU notion of safe space - by requiring people to self-identify to attend, you are creating a selection basis whereby those who attend are precisely those who don't need safe space, because they are already comfortable with who they are.
This is a symptomatic of a larger problem within UTSU - the tendency to find favorable constituencies and build walls around them rather than reaching out to the people who don't necessarily agree with you. It's top-down control versus consensus.
Mar 15, 2010 at 08:11 PM
So I know that my opening statement lacked the kind of personal jabs that are apparently what captivates people, but I'm not sure if that's a good excuse for not paying attention to what I actually said. I actually did not propose "focusing on projects like banning bottled water..." as the keystone of what we want to do with the external portfolio. Here's the exact quote from the opening statement:
"Part of engaging with different perspectives is also exchanging ideas with people who may not be a part of our university. As the current Sustainability Co-commissioner for UTSU, I've taken the initiative to link many campus projects – such as the push to eliminate bottled water, advocacy for signing the President's Climate Initiative, and plans to hold a teach-in for Climate Justice on campus – to the incredible resources and institutional knowledge offered by the Sierra Youth Coalition and other external bodies."
I'm pretty sure I was talking about my previous experiences and accomplishments, rather than an external platform. Which did come later, both in response to the questions and in my closing. I do realize that this unconventional arrangement probably was somewhat confusing (sorry!!), but I am disappointed that not enough attention was paid to what I actually said so that in this retelling, my position has become entirely misrepresented.
Also, I did not respond to a question asking "for the actual concrete steps [I] would take toward jobs and OSAP reform" with only that "needs-based grants were required to get students away from relying on OSAP." That statement does not address how to concretely reform OSAP at all -- I'm not sure why my argument was summarized in a way that does not really reflect what I said and also makes it seem like I completely missed the point. I actually talked about how working with other student unions through the connecting apparatus of CFS allowed for a restructuring of OSAP in 2009 and also about the crucial importance of working with University of Toronto students, which, for instance, did happen in the Drop Fees campaign of the past year and was what made Drop Fees into something that was more important and encompassing of larger issues than just student debt.
Anyways, just wanted to clarify the answers that are attributed to me in this article. I hope that's okay. I promise I will get to the point much faster and snappier in conversations to come in this election -- I'm learning to be less nuanced?
Mar 16, 2010 at 01:56 AM
Zexi, it's great you're clarifying your position (especially since OSAP reform is something very difficult to talk about in a 2 minute response), but you should be careful of falling on the wrong side of election rules by posting about your campaign here (unless you have CRO approval of course).
Mar 16, 2010 at 02:07 AM
Hi Zexi,
I'm sorry you feel that way but this is was what your platform is and the most part what you did say (I didn't paraphrase it that much). Also, you did in fact answer that question in the manner I presented. The answer that you have proposed as yours was not given or if that was your intended answer you did not give it as such.
Sorry I couldn't give you much attention, but I had three other VP positions and the president to present to readers, so I could only focus so much attention on each platform.
Mar 16, 2010 at 09:12 AM
Hi Varsity Staff,
You need not defend yourselves when someone criticizes your article in the comments. It's best for writers not to comment, I think. Allow your articles to facilitate discussion and take a hands-off approach. Too often I see writers commenting on their own articles, I don't think that's necessary.
Mar 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM
As someone who has worked extensively on the original Drop Fees campaign (i.e. the 2008 Campaign and when Dave Scrivener was VP External and Hadia Akhtar was Associate VP External) and the "NO TO NAYLOR'S AGENDA" campaign, I could clearly say that I have never seen Steve Masse at any of the Drop Fees meetings nor have I every seen him work on any of the mentioned campaigns. And trust me, I would have noticed him as there was never more than maybe 15 to 20 of us in the GSU basement for those meetings.
Mar 16, 2010 at 09:27 PM
In fact, I was present with Steve at many of these meetings. Sleeping but I was there nonetheless.
Mar 16, 2010 at 09:37 PM
Why does it matter whether or not he was at some meetings in 2008?
It has no bearing on what he will do if he's elected.
Try finding a more relevant criticism to make, Nate.
Mar 16, 2010 at 09:48 PM
Well, normally it wouldn't, but if one claims to be there but wasn't there and then goes on to use it as part of their "on-the-job" experience, it is relevant and it goes to whether or not they are credible and if they should be trusted.
Mar 16, 2010 at 09:54 PM
Has he claimed to be there?
Mar 16, 2010 at 10:55 PM
I second the motion put forth by "Fan of The Varsity". Leave everything you can in the article, leave the forum posting to peons like me.
You do not have to defend what you do.
It's time for The Varsity to lay down the law for all out student politicos: if you are not available for comment during the year (and they never are), we don't cover you during the elections. End of story.
The UTSU, GSU, and the rest live in constant fear of you, so flex that muscle a little bit.
Mar 16, 2010 at 11:24 PM
I have to disagree with the comments regarding varsity staff commenting. If they feel as if they have something valuable to contribute to the discussion taking place, they should be part of it.
The reason internet based journalism is taking off is because it allows for conversation rather than one way communication.
Keep on commenting, and keep up the good work!
Mar 16, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Now, i'm normally not the kind of guy to harp on minor details...but...wasn't Hadia Sandy's associate and not Dave's? and...wasn't there another drop fees rally earlier than 08? I think that there was, so if you've been w/ the campaign for awhile Nate, you would've known that.
I think I'll side with Steve in this matter.
Mar 17, 2010 at 02:42 AM
Hi M.
"Drop Fees" only came into existance in 2008. Before that it was "Reduce Tuition Fees" and instead of November 5, it was "Feb 7th".
Mar 17, 2010 at 03:09 AM
What's in a name Nate? Are you going to tell me that both campaigns were totally unrelated and disparate from each other? In fact, every one of the Reduce Tuition Fees/Drop Fees efforts were identical in their approach, the petition and postcard and placard and protest approach, which is why numbers dropped every time. Students do not want more of the same. We are tired of that.
There's that Einstein quote about insanity being doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result each time. Reduce Tuiton Fees/Drop Fees have failed, because the campaign itself suffers from a systemic flaw, it is not student-driven. Students need to be the agency behind these campaigns. Call it grassroots, call it a bottom-up effort, the fact remains that it's not there, and it's needed.
Change promises me that, ST doesn't, and frankly, I demand a group of students who are not trapped into the limiting restrictive mindset that typifies Adam Awad and the members of his slate.
Mar 17, 2010 at 09:25 AM
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of students who can notice that the policies of ST have been tried since 2004 and nothing has happened to prove their worth: tuition has gone up, OSAP isn't getting better, and even the equity issues aren't being solved.
Let's try new methods. Let's try Change.
Mar 17, 2010 at 10:13 PM
Who the actual fuck posted as me? I can assure you that wasn't actually me. Creepy.
Mar 18, 2010 at 04:10 AM
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